THE END OF THE WORLD PODCAST WITH MARK LEONARD

Since the UK’s EU referendum and the election of Donald Trump, we have seen a flood of commentary arguing that we are witnessing the ‘end of the liberal world order’, which has defined international affairs at least since the end of the Cold War. But is it ‘the end of the world as we know it’? Or is just that ‘the times they are a-changin’?

To address this question we have launched a new podcast mini-series, in which we will talk about how the global order is crumbling, falling apart, being challenged, bursting at the seams… or maybe something else.

In each episode ECFR’s director, Mark Leonard, will talk to a big thinker who is engaging with this central question of our times - from politicians to professors, and from hackers to military strategists. And we’re going to look at the issue from every angle – from the short term to the long term, and from diplomacy in the real world to cyber-security in the virtual world. We’ll leave no stone unturned in trying to find out whether the end really is nigh.

EPISODES:

The End of the World #14: Interview with Martin Wolf

In this new episode of our summer series, ECFR's director Mark Leonard and Policy Fellow Anthony Dworkin talk with Martin Wolf about the economic origins of the populist surge that is undermining the liberal order.

**Disclaimer: Imperfect audio quality

Martin Wolf is chief economics commentator at the Financial Times.

Bookshelf:
Martin Wolf, The Shifts and the Shocks: What we’ve learned – and have still to learn – from the financial crisis 
Martin Wolf's columns in the Financial Times.
Stephen King, Sleeping Beauties
Wolfgang Streeck, Buying Time: The Delayed Crisis of Democratic Capitalism
Walter Scheidel, The Great Leveler: Violence and the History of Inequality from the Stone Age to the Twenty-First Century

The End of the World #13: Interview with Anu Bradford

In this new episode of our summer series, ECFR's director Mark Leonard talks with Anu Bradford about the EU's global power and how it successfully exports its influence to the rest of the world.

Anu Bradford is a professor of international economic law and European Union law at Columbia Law School.

Bookshelf:
Anu Bradford, The Brussels Effect, The Rise of a Regulatory Superstate in Europe
Mark Leonard (ed.), Connectivity Wars

The End of the World #12: Interview with Joseph Nye

In the final episode of our summer series, ECFR's director Mark Leonard talks with Joseph Nye about power and multilateral institutions.

Joseph Nye is a Harvard University Professor and the co-founder, along with Robert Keohane, of the international relations theory of neoliberalism.

Bookshelf:
Joseph Nye, Is the American Century Over?
Joseph Nye, "Will the Liberal Order Survive?", in Foreign Affairs, Jan-Feb 2017 Issue.
Daniel Deudney G. & John Ikenberry, "Realism, Liberalism and the Iraq War", in Survival, Vol 59, No 4, July 2017.
Dani Rodrik, Straight Talk on Trade: Ideas for a Sane World Economy

The End of the World #11: Interview with Kelly Greenhill

In this unusual episode of our End of the World series, ECFR's Anthony Dworkin is talking about the migration crisis with Kelly Greenhill, who is an Associate Professor of Political Science and International Relations at Tufts University and Research Fellow at Harvard University.

Bookshelf:
Kelly Greenhill, Weapons of Mass Migration: Forced Displacement, Coercion and Foreign Policy
Georg Sorensen, A Liberal World Order in Crisis
Mark Blyth, Austerity: The History of a Dangerous Idea
Duncan Bell, Reordering the World: Essays on Liberalism and Empire

The End of the World #10: Interview with Michael von der Schulenburg

In this unusual episode of our End of the World series, ECFR's Anthony Dworkin is talking to Michael von der Schulenburg, who has held positions within the United Nations, including assistant secretary-general, for more than thirty years, about democracy and foreign interventions.

Bookshelf:
Michael Von Der Schulenburg, On Building Peace

The End of the World #9: Interview with Cathy O'Neil

For the rest of the summer Mark Leonard will be breaking from the usual World in 30 Minutes format to talk about how the global order is being challenged. This week, he is joined by Cathy O'Neil, an American mathematician and the author of the blog mathbabe.org and several books on data science.

Bookshelf:
Cathy O'Neil, Weapons of Math Destruction: How Big Data Increases Inequality and Threatens Democracy
Cathy O'Neil's contributions to Bloomberg.com
The investigative journalism of ProPublica.org

The End of the World #8: Interview with Pankaj Mishra

For the rest of the summer Mark Leonard will be breaking from the usual World in 30 Minutes format to talk about how the global order is being challenged. This week, he is joined by Pankaj Mishra, author and writer of literary and political essays.

Bookshelf:
Pankaj Mishra, Age of Anger: A History of the Present
Pankaj Mishra, From the Ruins of Empire: The Intellectuals Who Remade Asia
C. A Bayly, The Birth of the Modern World, 1780-1914: Global Connections and Comparisons

The End of the World #7: Interview with Yascha Mounk

For the rest of the summer Mark Leonard will be breaking from the usual World in 30 Minutes format to talk about how the global order is being challenged. This week, he is joined by Yascha Mounk, a lecturer on Government at Harvard University and the host of The Good Fight podcast to talk about the sustainability of democracy in the liberal international order. 

Bookshelf:
Yascha Mounk, The People Versus Democracy
Roberto Stefan Foa and Yascha Mounk, The Democratic Disconnect, available here
Edward Luce, The Retreat of Liberalism
Ivan Krastev, After Europe
Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa, The Leopard

The End of the World #6: Interview with Carl Bildt

For the rest of the summer Mark Leonard will be breaking from the usual World in 30 Minutes format to talk about how the global order is being challenged. This week, he is joined by Carl Bildt, a former prime minister of Sweden and ECFR's co-chair, to talk about Internet governance and cybersecurity.

Carl argues that Europe is far behind China and the US in terms of internet governance. Data encryption, free flow of date and regulation of state surveillance: EU countries definitely have a busy schedule ahead.

Bookshelf:
Report of the Global Commission on Internet Governance, available here
Internet Society website, available here
ECFR, Europe's Digital Power, available here

The End of the World #5: Interview with Mary Kaldor

In episode 5 Mark is joined by ECFR's Anthony Dworkin and Professor Mary Kaldor, who is Director of the Civil Society and Human Security Research Unit at the London School of Economics, to talk about new wars and foreign interventions.

According to Mary, it is no longer a question of whether or not to intervene in foreign conflicts but how to do so. She upholds that the only way to end new wars is to negotiate political solutions that involve local movements and civil society.

Bookshelf:
Christine Chinkin & Mary Kaldor, International Law and New Wars
Stephen Neff, War and the Law of Nations

The End of the World #4: Interview with Vincenzo Iozzo

In episode 4 Mark Leonard is joined by Jeremy Shapiro, ECFR's research director, and Vincenzo Iozzo, a research associate at the MIT Media Lab and the co-founder of IperLane, Inc, a cybersecurity company.

Vincenzo argues that the Internet has become too important and too insecure for the governments to keep ignoring its existence. Regulation at a softer level and a market push at the basic infrastructure level will be needed to ensure public security in the cyberspace

Bookshelf:
Vincenzo Iozzo et al., IOS Hacker's Handbook

The End of the World #3: Interview with Parag Khanna

In episode 3 Mark Leonard is joined by Parag Khanna, a Senior Research Fellow at the Center on Asia and Globalization at the National University of Singapore and best-selling author of a trilogy of books on the future of world order.

Bookshelf: 
Parag Khanna, The Second World: Empires and Influence in the New Global Order 
How to Run the World: Charting a Course to the Next Renaissance 
Connectography: Mapping the Future of Global Civilization

The End of the World #2: Interview with Edward Luttwak

In episode 2 Mark is joined by Edward Luttwak, political scientist and founder of the discipline of geoeconomics. Edward argues that, rather than ending now, the original liberal order has already been destroyed by neoliberalism, fanatical environmentalism and a Davos mentality of globalisation at all costs. 

Bookshelf:
Edward Luttwak, Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook
Thomas Piketty, Capital in the Twenty-First Century

The End of the World #1: Interview with Edward Luce

In episode 1, Mark speaks with Edward Luce, Chief US Columnist for the Financial Times, and author of The Retreat of Western Liberalism. Edward outlines how, since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the liberal order has effectively been the American order, and how that is now being undermined – both consciously and unwittingly - by President Trump. He discusses which pillars of that order are particularly under threat, and which countries are most vulnerable to disruption.

Bookshelf:
Edward Luce, The Retreat of Western Liberalism
New York Times, Financial Times, The Economist

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